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Sith

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« on: November 30, 2005, 02:26:33 PM »
My god just went into ARB to get some quotes on parts ....near frikkin keeled over  8O  8O

how do they justify the prices ..... winch bar .....$1230 supply only ....my god $170 to fit it ....another $90 to bolt the winch into it  8O  8O  8O


pass the valium  :lol:  :lol:

Offline brooksy

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2005, 02:38:04 PM »
Quote from: "Sith"
My god just went into ARB to get some quotes on parts ....near frikkin keeled over  8O  8O

how do they justify the prices ..... winch bar .....$1230 supply only ....my god $170 to fit it ....another $90 to bolt the winch into it  8O  8O  8O


pass the valium  :lol:  :lol:


Not nice is it !!!!

Fit it yourself, it's not hard, just see if you can get a mate over to help & offer him a carton & help him drink 'em while your fitting the bar...... 8O  :P

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2005, 02:45:08 PM »
mate im spanner impared  :lol:  :lol: very very good at being NO GOOD  :lol:  :lol:

but a great idea thanx !

i sent youa PM about a winch bar !!

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 05:10:28 AM »
Thats not expensive try $1820 for a rear bar and $640 for the thing that the wheel carrier attachs too, and thats not including the wheel carrier 8O  bloody robbers

$640 for a stub axle basicly, mongrels :twisted:

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2005, 07:35:46 AM »
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Thats not expensive try $1820 for a rear bar and $640 for the thing that the wheel carrier attachs too, and thats not including the wheel carrier 8O  bloody robbers

$640 for a stub axle basicly, mongrels :twisted:

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What can I say, that's Kaymar for you.  Their attitude sucks, IMHO.  One of the women there, who had a D2 to drive for a few days, said "I'd not drive it by choice, it's no good compared to my 100 series".  I thought it was good business practice not to "bag" a product...
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2005, 11:05:48 AM »
I've been doing a lot of chatting to Mick Samootin about various things & he is designing a rear bar similar to Kaymar but at a realistic price. Keep an eye out for it early next year !!

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2005, 07:59:00 AM »
This is why i'm making my own, similar to Slunnies, i'll put a jerry holder on mine, might do a wheel carriier, haven't decided as yet.

So far and it's almost finished, $100 in materials.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 06:46:21 PM »
Thats exactly it. Cheap, though it costs in terms of time.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 06:59:44 PM »
guys that looks horny ..... pity im welder /spanner/most tools impared .... mental note i suck at mechanical works !

If you make another ..... i would be interested in making a donation to your wallet / accessories  :wink:

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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2006, 01:58:31 PM »
Kaymar have moved to a very flash new premise in Lilydale, so they probably need to charge an arm and a leg to pay for their new building.

Seriously, its just ridiculously expensive.

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 09:25:24 AM »
Ok I'll be the wet blanket. Without analising the costs or the product in depth I will make this point. A low volume high R&D cost item will be expensive. Consider the following:

The Kaymar bar is also a tow bar and as such has to be tested to meet legal requirements. Then there is the cost of design and development. Add to that the cost of tooling (weld jigs etc). All of these need to be recovered. There is another aspect which is expensive and that is setup costs. By this I mean the cost to setup for a production batch. Assume it takes about 60 minutes to gather all the information materials and jigs for a specific operation like welding the main beam. The action of welding might take 5 minutes. If the batch size is 10 then you will have to load up the 5 minute with another 6 making it twice as expensive. If you only believe you can sell 100 then the cost of development is divided by 100 and added to the cost. If you increase to batch sizes and hopefully sell more units than the 100, say 1000 then the costs will go down appreciably.

The Disco in real marketing terms is not a high volume product. The requirements for a rear bar are much less than for a bull bar for example. I would recon that if anyone makes a bar they need to consider all the aspects of cost before they go into it, and I would expect that is what Kaymar have done and the price demanded is the result. If anyone (4X4Design) is thinking of developing such a unit be very aware of the manurfacturing methods and material costs. Also do not try and make it a multi purpose unit as Kaymar have done, just make it a simple replacement bar with better departure angles and you will have a small market, but a profitable one.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 09:06:57 PM »
Once the Gallery is open again & I have some spare time I can show you my rear bar with wheel carrier. The only thing (time is the only factor here) my bars don't have the tow hich included.
My bars have the best departure angle in the industry & are very strong with the ability to hi-lift from them.


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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2006, 12:15:21 PM »
Hi Brooksey,

I've seen your pictures and its a great looking bar, but if you or someone is seriously looking at going into production on such a bar they need to be well aware of the real costs of doing so.

This is my territory, and have been doing all of this for some 40 odd years. Enthusiasm often gets in the way of real business - PROFITS.
an G.

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